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« on: September 02, 2007, 05:31:37 AM »

Okay, it's like this. We're all familiar with the burbling of the critics. They slammed the show on any number of levels, and most of these have been discussed ad infinitum. But I have a couple of points, which I don't think have ever been made, and I'd like your take on them.

First, I'm sure that most of you on here are old enough to remember when Erich von Daniken came out with his Chariots Of The Gods?, positing the idea that Earth vas visited by aliens in the distant past, and that the development of Man and his civilization was altered, by design of these visitors. There was even a film of the same name, and several follow-up books. It was all roundly slammed by critics, in and out of the sciences, as utter dreck. Now, I'm not here to discuss the merits of van Daniken's ideas, good or bad. That belongs to another thread. BUT...
You will have, of course, noted the basic premise of BSG: Earth was at some point visited and at least in part settled by people from another star system. In the show, Kobol, and her thirteen tribes are the basis of all Human civilization. The show was lambasted by "critics" for it's use of "von Danikenism" as a central premise. They dismissed the entire series as junk, for this, among many other reasons. HOWEVER...
If you will recall, a few years earlier, another SciFi offering came out, 2001: A Space Odyssey. (In my humble opinion, a dippy title.) Now, how does this film, written by a highly regarded scientist and author start?
By aliens coming to Earth, fooling around with our ancestors, and thus affecting the development of Man and civilization. Sound familiar? (With the addition that the apes don't begin the long march to Humanity until after they are taught by the aliens how to kill. Each other!) But, unlike BSG, this was praised, lionized, and is celebrated to this day as a "masterpiece", and all that. My point is, reduced to basics, the idea is the same. Aliens+Earth+Primitive Man=Us. So, why is one regarded almost as a holy icon, and the other like used turbo-flush paper?
Secondly, you will recall the destruction of Carillon. Things get too hot, and the planet goes poof. Like the above, this was also derided as "unscientific". HOWEVER...
Some on here will have no doubt seen the film Forbidden Planet. A true cinematic triumph, the film ends with the obliteration of the planet Altair IV. Like in BSG, Altair IV is blown to bits by a chain reaction deep within the planet, this being brought about by letting the power reactors of the long-dead inhabitants run wild, and go supercritical, rather than a volitile chemical compound left to burn uncontrolled, until it too produced an unstoppable chain reaction. Exit Carillon.
Now, my point is, why is it that FP is praised, despite this, and BSG is excoriated, for a nearly identical plot point? Don't misunderstand, Forbidden Planet is a truly great film, far and away above 2001, IMNSHO. So, why the very obvious anti-Galactica double standard?
Your take, folks?
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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2007, 06:35:29 PM »

I understand your comparisons, but you're not exactly comparing apples to apples here, Sen.

2001 doesn't really match up with BSG for historical backstory.  In 2001, the Monolith appears in the territory of a family group of proto-humans.  There is a subtle influence on their mental processes, which develop the imagination so that they create tools - and weapons of survival.  Granted, that first weapon of survival was a club, but it was a great leap for them.  They could more easily acquire meat, and defend their territory (that's what the scene where he killed the leader of another group depicted). It was survival, and it was the start of the journey to homo sapiens.

That's far different from the BSG backstory (which was heavily influenced by von Daniken's theories but also contained clear influences of the major religions and other mythologies). Rather than influencing indigenous evolution, BSG had humankind rise on an entirely different world and colonize Earth.  It was never suggested that there was an indigenous population of intelligence on Earth to influence.

There really isn't a comparison between the two.  The premises are entirely discrete.

The comparison between the destruction of Altair IV and Carillon is much more apt.  Sources of energy were let loose unchecked and the planet could not contain that energy.  Poof, no more planet.

But even there you find a fundamental difference in the proposed situation.  Altair IV was honeycombed (on a planet-wide scope) with artifacts, energy-producing atomic reactors.  (In fact, I wonder if the planet itself wasn't constructed around those systems.)  Those reactors going critical all at once would create an atomic-fueled explosion of sufficient magnitude that any mass around it would be vaporized, even the planet.

In Carillon, you have Tylium deposits honeycombing the planet.  You have a fire.  The fire spreads.  Apparently really, really fast.  Then you have an atomic-type planet-buster of an explosion.

The science behind the latter scenario is a whole lot weaker than in the former.  Gravity, mass, and all those other factors will play a much larger role in the latter than in the former.  I'm no physicist, so I can't tell you what that is, but it's the greater stretch when what amounts to a coal-mine fire vaporizes a planet.

Now comes the real question - the actual energy contained within a deposit of Tylium.  Is it an atomic reaction, or is it actually oxidation?  That was never addressed.  I like to think it was an atomic reaction, it would explain its volatility and provide sufficient energy to destroy a planet.  But then, how would a simple laser blast trigger an atomic reaction, and have that reaction start as a simple fire?  Could that rapid oxidation (without a whole lot of oxygen, mind you) provide enough energy to create that violent of an explosion?  And did Tylium need oxygen to "oxidize", or was it actually a different form of reaction?

Tylium I put into that "science we don't understand" category - we just know that, in the BSG universe, they know how to use it and it works.  And I think that's why premises like Forbidden Planet's get more credence with some because it's based on a bit harder science than BSG's exploding planet was.

And, of course, you've got to consider the casino.....

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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2007, 07:40:18 AM »

That's okay, Dawg. You can be wrong.

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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2007, 02:49:21 PM »

Quote from: "Senmut"
That's okay, Dawg. You can be wrong.

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Yes, but I so rarely am.

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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2007, 05:57:31 AM »

Which is what makes your post so memorable.


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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2008, 04:33:41 AM »

Yo! Anyone else out there? Feel free to wade in.
Please.
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