Plot Lines

[mikedx]

I had a specific question about a plot and thought I'd ask it here.  I guess this might be a good thread to start such things with.

OK.  Here goes.

What would have happened if Iblis had visited the Pegasus instead of the Galactica?

I'm guessing that Cain would have been so jealous of Iblis charisma and way with the ladies that he would have kicked him out the nearest airlock.

Cain would also try to find a way to shoot at the Ship of Lights as well.

Thoughts???

[zankoku]

I think that idea is begging to be written. And since it was your idea, we will expect the draft at least by the end of next week.

What say you all?

Jim

[mikedx]

Zan,

I think it's a good concept, but it wouldn't fly.

Why?

Iblis would get found on some planet, come on board the Pegasus, and make these miracles to try to usurp power from Cain.  But everybody on the Pegasus has such undying loyality to Cain, that Iblis wouldn't even have a chance.

Cain would be out in a viper trying to shoot down the lights as well.  They would "capture" him and try to sell them on their religion/goodness, but he'd say heck with them, who needs them.  He never needed help in his life.  

Mike

[julix]

Interesting thread.........I think you are right Mike.......Iblis up against Cain?   My money is on Cain all the way

[zankoku]

That is a defeatist attitude. I was told you couldn't so a cross over with Enterprise (2153) and Queen of Swords (1819) but I did and it worked.

If the writer thinks it will work, he will find a way,. I have seen people who who things on paper think they are writers, put out a story that you could drive a battlestar through.


It is the difference between a writer and a non-writer.

Jim

[julix]

see and I am not a writer..........well poetry but not stories.  I admire people who can write it is a wonderful talent

[mikedx]

Ok Zan, have it your way.

Cain goes out on patrol and gets caught by the ship of lights.  For some reason, it's an extended period of time.  Maybe he has to do a quest like Apollo.  While he is gone, Iblis shows up.  Cain is gone, Iblis starts his schtick.  The people on the battlestar thinks he's dead, and some of the fleet start wanting to follow Iblis.  Big confrontation, at the end of which Cain come back.  With help from the Space Angels, Iblis is defeated.

How's That???

[julix]

Whoa.............
I like it....sounds like a good start See y'all are so talented!

[zankoku]

That mikedx is the start of a good story. See I knew oyu had it in you.

So we will expect the first 5 chapters by Friday.

Jim :twisted:

[Lara]

Iblis would have got to the Pegasus' crew in a different way. he is the father of lies and of temptation: the fleet wanted safety, food, going to Earth, delivering the enemy, so he used these to get a hold.
Cain and the Pegasus would have different desires. Iblis would use these

For all his military genius, Cain was proud and vain, two opportunities for Iblis to work on. I think the moral dilemma would have been more intense. What if Iblis had offered Cain the opportunity to strike at the heart of the cylon empire? Wouldn't Cain have been tempted?

If this is pre the meeting of the battlestars (I am assuming), Sheba may have not fallen for Iblis so readily becos she was still with her father.
But without Apollo's sacrafice, who would have redeemed her? perhaps it might have been Bojay who fell under the spell and Sheba who saw through it all.  Perhaps she would have been the only thing that stopped her father selling out to his baser self?.

Cain may have found his moral core in time to avert disaster, in the face of severe temptation. Who said Iblis had to manifest as a man every time?

Of course if it was set on a Pegasus that was post the Gamoray incident, and he is without his daughter, he may well be lost, thus setting the background for the speculation that the ruined ship in WoTG was part of the Pegasus.

Cheers,
Lara

[mikedx]

Lara,

Excellent ideas!   Iblis would have tried to get to Cain by promising him what he most wanted, a decisive victory over the cylons.  You are exactly right.  I still think there would have been a lot of friction when Iblis eventually tried to take over the Pegasus.  Maybe he wouldn't have had too, he just could have tried to kill them off by the cylons.

I think this would have had to happen after The Living Legend.  If it happened before, then Sheba and Bojay would have known about the ship of lights or a Cain type being by the time of War of the Gods, even if he didn't look like Patrick MacNee.  Unfortunatly if this were the case, we wouldn't have Sheba or Bojay as characters in the story.  Maybe invent a younger sister of Sheba to "take" her place?  The only other person with a name on the Pegasus that I know of was Tolan.

But if it is an alternate universe, or a what if episode, then anything can happen.

Regardless, thanks to Zen for making me see that it could happen, and to Lara for showing me how it could have happened.

OK, try it this way...

The Pegasus (post Living Legend) stumbles across Iblis.  He shows his mental and charismatic powers, provides a miracle of some sort,  and promises Cain that he can give him the victory of all victories over the cylon home planet.  Cain is jealous of Iblis, because even though he is the most beloved leader, people are starting to consider Iblis as a leader.  BUT he is more tempted by the greatest victory of his career.  

Sheba's younger sister (insert another Egyptian name) falls for Iblis which makes Cain even more upset and start to question Iblis

Alternatively, Iblis shows up as Casseopeia, without a great explanation of how she came to be where they found her.  Cain is so happy to see her he doesn't ask questions.  At first...  But then when she seems to have all of this inside cylon info, he starts to question her.

Ship of Lights show up.  Iblis says they are cylons.  Cain heads out to lead the squadron (sister protests, why does the leader have to always go out when he is much more needed on the bridge, but Cain won't have any of it).  The space angels hijack Cain.

In the meantime, the Pegaus, who is without their most beloved leader, have a huge hole to fill.  Tolan can't fill his shoes, so Iblis takes over.

He leads them to a big cylon ambush, about to be slaughtered, when Cain and the lights ride in like the cavalry to save the day.

WHEW!!!

[zankoku]

Good, good.

I actually have a list of Ancient Greek and Egyptian names that I sused in creating my characters. How about



Karem?



Jim

[mikedx]

Zan,

Thanks for the help.

Karem sound Muslim.  Anything more feminine?

[julix]

In Hatch's Book Sheba finds out she has a sister............I think her name is Rayna....I will double check!  I am not good with eyptian names per se.......BTW arn't most of the names Greek from the gods......Apollo, Athena???  or am I way off here?

[Lara]

Names.. a great debate all on their own!!

Main characters with names that have a fair bit of greek mythology at first seem to be Caprican, but there is the hebrew/ old testement thread (like Cain or Adama), and Cassiopaeia, who was Gemonese. How do you justify Boomer, Starbuck, Jolly, Greenbean or Boxey (unless they have truly unpronouncable birth names that never get used...).

Cain's other daughter could even be a Ruth or a Rebecca, without upsetting the vibe.
And for those who didn't know, both Sharon and Susan are egyptian names that were later taken out of egypt and into the old testament.

Cheers,
Lara
(greek mythology: one of the nymphs who told tales about Zeus' latest lady friend to Hera and got her tongue ripped out for her trobles, then was married off to one of the gods of the underworld, where she became Tacita, the silent one..)